THE ABSURDITY OF THE IGLESIA NI MANALO REASONING Part 1

Anonymous said...

Christ is not the one true God because he clearly said that the Father is the only true God.

Moreover, it is also clearly stated in Bible that JesusChrist is the mediator between God and men.

So Christ is not the one true God because the one who mediates and the one to whom he mediates could not be referring to only one entity? They must be different? Are they not?

If Christ is also God, it will follow that you have two Gods and not just one true God! It is just a simple addition: 1 + 1 = 2. It is ABSURD to think that 1 + 1 = 1

July 2, 2011 11:18 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

[Christ is not the one true God because he clearly said that the Father is the only true God.]

THE FATHER CALLED JESUS 'GOD' CATEGORICALLY AND EXPLICITLY:

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

YOUR POSITION MAKES GOD THE FATHER A LIAR.

[Moreover, it is also clearly stated in Bible that JesusChrist is the mediator between God and men.]

JESUS IS MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN BECAUSE JESUS IS THE GOD WHO BECAME MAN:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known. [Good News Bible]

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS MAN BECAUSE JESUS IS THE GOD WHO BECAME MAN.THE BIBLE NEVER SAID THAT "JESUS IS NOT GOD". WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN BUT NO STATEMENT THAT JESUS IS 'MAN ONLY'. WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.

[So Christ is not the one true God because the one who mediates and the one to whom he mediates could not be referring to only one entity? They must be different? Are they not?]

CHRIST IS THE ONE TRUE GOD BECAUSE HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE:

John 10:30 The Father and I are one.

THE MEDIATOR AND THE ONE TO WHOM HE IS MEDIATING COULD BE THE SAME PERSON. IF A SUPER RICH MAN WILL GO TO HIS WORKERS INCOGNITO LIKE A SIMPLE EMPLOYEES THEN HE CAN MEDIATE BETWEEN THE EMPLOYEES AND THE OWNER DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE IS THE SAME BEING.

[If Christ is also God, it will follow that you have two Gods and not just one true God!]

IF THE BIBLE AND JESUS ARE NOT LIARS IN SAYING THAT JESUS AND THE FATHER ARE ONE THEN THERE ARE NO TWO GODS BUT ONE. YOU ARE THE ONE LYING NOT JESUS AND THE BIBLE. SORRY FOR YOU.

[It is just a simple addition: 1 + 1 = 2. It is ABSURD to think that 1 + 1 = 1]

YOUR MISTAKE IS NOT ABOUT ABSURDITY BUT ABOUT STUPIDITY. GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING, THE HIGHEST AND GREATEST BEING. THEREFORE YOU SHOULD USE THE HIGHEST MODE OF MATHEMATICS FOR HIM.

THERE ARE 4 MODES BY ORDER OR DEGREE OF IMPORTANCE:

4. SUBSTRACTION
3. DIVISION
2. ADDITION
1. MULTIPLICATION

THE HIGHEST IS NOT 'ADDITION' BUT 'MULTIPLICATION'. SO, IT MUST BE THE ONE TO BE USED FOR GOD. SO THEN,

1 X 1 = ONE (1)

I REPREAT. YOUR MISTAKE IS NOT ON ABSURDITY BUT ON STUPIDITY.

July 3, 2011 6:36 PM

Faith Alone....Lonely tactics

What does faith Alone can give you?

Simple. None. Have you ever consider this type of faith easily fades away? Because of feelings alone. Once a so-called "Christian" would profess his faith through confessing: that Jesus is his personal Lord and Savior; makes a feeling of false security. Why? Because it rubrics of faith is not and never mention in the Sacred Scripture. In addition to that it was ONLY brought by feelings, not to mention IT IS AN ONE TIME EVENT.

After the so-called jolted feelings of owe...it subsides. However, Evangelical / Pentecostal music supply the feelings needed to fired up one's faith. If someone still needs a fuel to run a faith, through music and heartfelt sermon that almost takes the whole Worship time, it's sound more mental hallucination than expressing the truth within.


Catholic's perception on "PERSONAL SAVIOR"

When I join the Catholic Charismatic community, this expression is undoubtedly misused sometimes. Especially, if the speaker is not convinced about the truth the Roman Catholic Church uphold, such indifference ONLY happen if such faithful read books published by Christian heretics.

Although this expression is NOT found in the Catholic Catechism as part of the official church teachings, BUT it hold ONE supreme truth. In John 6:50 and onwards, described Jesus as the bread that comes from heaven...The Manna.

The Apostle described how Literal Jesus meant when He said that to have life in us, we (faithfuls) must take and eat and drink His blood. No wonder at the last verse, Jews left him.

In our Church, the Roman Catholics alike had a literal expression of "altar call". Each Catholics, after examining his faith rose up from the pews and approach the Priest to receive the real Jesus Christ as their savior.

So when a so called "Born Again" asked me. "If I already received Jesus as my personal savior?"
I reply: "Yes, I did accept Him as my savior and my Lord....BUT NOT A ONE TIME EVENT... I ACCEPT JESUS AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR.....NOT ONCE....BUT ALL THE TIME...."

A discourse chat from an Evangelical

A discourse chat from an Evangelical

Beatrice Ulli December 16 at 9:28am Report

askin if there is only one Holy Spirit

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Archie Gene Gallardo December 16 at 10:04am

yes there is Only one.

Beatrice Ulli December 16 at 10:23am Report

So then r we supposed to pray to only One Holy Spirit

Archie Gene Gallardo December 16 at 10:27am

If I would follow your theme: Yes, even in the Catholic Church, we asked and pray with/for the Holy Spirit. And we also asked people of God in heaven to pray in behalf of us.

Why do you asked?

Beatrice Ulli December 16 at 11:42am Report

Becoz in the spirit world there is only One Holy Spirit. All the other spirits in heaven will be resurrect when Jesus returns. That is why the Lord told us to pray to only One Holy Spirit

Archie Gene Gallardo December 16 at 7:46pm

How can spirits in heaven will be resurrect? Is that a literal?

Archie Gene Gallardo December 16 at 7:48pm

Addendum,

If they are already in heaven, and Jesus will come from heaven. Is it redundancy of account?

Is that belief that you said was also shared in 1 century or 2 century Christians?

Beatrice Ulli December 17 at 3:52am Report

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Beatrice Ulli December 17 at 3:53am Report

1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep

Archie Gene Gallardo December 17 at 9:41am

Beatrice, there is a problem in 1Thessalonians 4:16 and your words...

You said: All the other spirits a IN HEAVEN will be resurrect when Jesus returns.

1 Thess. 4:16 does not contain it. It says DEAD in Christ. Meaning people who died in the Gospel.

1 Corinthians 15:20 No connection to your claim at all. Yes, we Catholics agree with the verse that Jesus is the first fruit, but it did not support your claim.

Beatrice Ulli December 18 at 2:00am Report

"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope." (1 Th 4:13)

Archie Gene Gallardo December 18 at 12:57pm

Your insights are new and NOT shared by early Christians...Such a way Saint Paul says about your kind:

But even if we or an angel* from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that one be accursed! (Galatians 1:8)

And since you start believing in the Holy Spirit in which we Christians do believe, but you twitch every scripture and add self proclaimed truth. Saint James whom your father of lies (Martin Luther - started Protestantism) called a "Epistle of Straw" wrote about your kind; such faith was shared by the Demons.

"You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder"... (James 2:19)

Our Holy Tradition taught us since then ALL what the Church taught was sealed by the Holy Spirit. Through HEARING the word of truth we gain Hope, of everlasting life.

"In him you also, when you had heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and had believed in him, were marked with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit" (Ephesians 1:13)

You and your kind create NEW human doctrines. and not according to what the Apostles taught through the Holy Traditions. Saint Paul is right when he said:

"Now we command you, beloved,* in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from believers who are* living in idleness and not according to the tradition that they* received from us"

(2 Thessalonians 3:6)