Tuesday, July 26, 2011

THE ABSURDITY OF THE IGLESIA NI MANALO REASONING Part 1

Anonymous said...
Christ is not the one true God because he clearly said that the Father is the only true God.

Moreover, it is also clearly stated in Bible that JesusChrist is the mediator between God and men.

So Christ is not the one true God because the one who mediates and the one to whom he mediates could not be referring to only one entity? They must be different? Are they not?

If Christ is also God, it will follow that you have two Gods and not just one true God! It is just a simple addition: 1 + 1 = 2. It is ABSURD to think that 1 + 1 = 1

Fr. Abe, CRS said...
[Christ is not the one true God because he clearly said that the Father is the only true God.]

THE FATHER CALLED JESUS 'GOD' CATEGORICALLY AND EXPLICITLY:

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

YOUR POSITION MAKES GOD THE FATHER A LIAR.

[Moreover, it is also clearly stated in Bible that JesusChrist is the mediator between God and men.]

JESUS IS MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN BECAUSE JESUS IS THE GOD WHO BECAME MAN:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known. [Good News Bible]

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS MAN BECAUSE JESUS IS THE GOD WHO BECAME MAN.THE BIBLE NEVER SAID THAT "JESUS IS NOT GOD". WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN BUT NO STATEMENT THAT JESUS IS 'MAN ONLY'. WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.

[So Christ is not the one true God because the one who mediates and the one to whom he mediates could not be referring to only one entity? They must be different? Are they not?]

CHRIST IS THE ONE TRUE GOD BECAUSE HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE:

John 10:30 The Father and I are one.

THE MEDIATOR AND THE ONE TO WHOM HE IS MEDIATING COULD BE THE SAME PERSON. IF A SUPER RICH MAN WILL GO TO HIS WORKERS INCOGNITO LIKE A SIMPLE EMPLOYEES THEN HE CAN MEDIATE BETWEEN THE EMPLOYEES AND THE OWNER DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE IS THE SAME BEING.

[If Christ is also God, it will follow that you have two Gods and not just one true God!]

IF THE BIBLE AND JESUS ARE NOT LIARS IN SAYING THAT JESUS AND THE FATHER ARE ONE THEN THERE ARE NO TWO GODS BUT ONE. YOU ARE THE ONE LYING NOT JESUS AND THE BIBLE. SORRY FOR YOU.

[It is just a simple addition: 1 + 1 = 2. It is ABSURD to think that 1 + 1 = 1]

YOUR MISTAKE IS NOT ABOUT ABSURDITY BUT ABOUT STUPIDITY. GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING, THE HIGHEST AND GREATEST BEING. THEREFORE YOU SHOULD USE THE HIGHEST MODE OF MATHEMATICS FOR HIM.

THERE ARE 4 MODES BY ORDER OR DEGREE OF IMPORTANCE:

4. SUBSTRACTION
3. DIVISION
2. ADDITION
1. MULTIPLICATION

THE HIGHEST IS NOT 'ADDITION' BUT 'MULTIPLICATION'. SO, IT MUST BE THE ONE TO BE USED FOR GOD. SO THEN,

1 X 1 = ONE (1)

I REPREAT. YOUR MISTAKE IS NOT ON ABSURDITY BUT ON STUPIDITY.


ANO ANG BASEHAN NG MGA SAKSI NI BAHO NA SI CRISTO DAW AY HINDI IPINAKO KUNDI IBINITIN SA PUNONG KAHOY?

Source: http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2011/07/ano-ang-basehan-ng-mga-saksi-ni-baho-na.html

Anonymous said...
Konting-konti pa lang background ko dito sa doktrina ng mga Saksi. Kapag may nagbabahay-bahay ay hindi ko nga pinapansin.

Ang pagkakaalam ko lang ay 'yun ngang pangalan ng Diyos daw ay "Jehovah", tapos, sa tulos daw ipinako si Jesus sabi ng Saksi ni Jehovah na nakausap ko minsan sa mall (medyo may katagalan na rin).

Ano po ang basehan nila ng tungkol sa "tulos"? Gusto ko na ring simulan ngayon ang pag-aaral ng kanilang mga doktrina.

Dapat na nga ring pagtuunan ng pansin ang mga pangangaral nila. Mahilig kasi silang magbahay-bahay. Hindi naman sila ini-invite pero pinipilit nila ang sarili nilang maging panauhin. Ang pangit pa, baka kapag hindi mo iniintindi eh, may mga pangit na sasabihin ('baka' lang naman po pero sino ba ang makapagsasabi). Huwag naman po sana kung sakali dahil unang-una nga, hindi naman kayo in-invite para maging aming panauhin.

Sa mga Saksi na andito sa blog ni Father, ano po ang masasabi ninyo tungkol dito sa mga sinasabi ng mga Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses?

Heto po ang link:
http://www.watchthetower.com/
[WATCH the TOWER: Official website of Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses] - don't forget the article 'the' in between watch and tower.

Fr. Abe, CRS said...
[Ano po ang basehan nila ng tungkol sa "tulos"? Gusto ko na ring simulan ngayon ang pag-aaral ng kanilang mga doktrina.]

ITO BROD:

Act 5:30 Ibinangon ng Dios ng ating mga magulang si Jesus, na siya ninyong pinatay, na ibinitin sa isang punong kahoy.

PARA SA KANILA ANG PANGINOON DAW AY IBINITIN HINDI IPINAKO. HA HA HA... ANG KATANGAHAN NILA E HINDI NILA INISIP NA ANG PANGINOON AY TINAWAG NA IBINITIN DAHIL ANG MGA PAA AY NAKAANGAT SA LUPA. SUBALIT VERY CLEAR NA IPINAKO SIYA AT HINDI BINITAY. DAHIL NAKAANGAT SA LUPA ANG PANGINOON, NAKABITIN IYON SUBALIT HINDI NAKABITAY KUNDI NAKAPAKO.

HINDI MAN LANG TINIGNAN NG MGA HUNGHANG NA SAKSI NI BAHO NA EARLIER THAN THAT E SINABI NA SA ACTS OF THE APOSTLES NA IPINAKO SI CRISTO SA KRUS:

Act 2:23 Siya, na ibinigay sa takdang pasiya at paunang kaalaman ng Dios, kayo sa pamamagitan ng mga kamay ng mga tampalasan ay inyong ipinako sa krus at pinatay...

Act 2:36 Pakatalastasin nga ng buong angkan ni Israel, na ginawa ng Dios na Panginoon at Cristo itong si Jesus na inyong ipinako sa krus.

Act 4:10 Talastasin ninyong lahat, at ng buong bayan ng Israel, na sa pangalan ni Jesucristo ng taga Nazaret, na inyong ipinako sa krus, na binuhay ng Dios na maguli sa mga patay, dahil sa kaniya ay nakatindig ang taong ito sa inyong harap na walang sakit.

ITO PA ANG NAPAKARAMING SALAYSAY HINGGIL SA PAGKAPAKO NI CRISTO AT HINDI 'BITIN' ANG MALINAW NA DINIDIIN NG BIBLIA:

Matthew 28:5 At sumagot ang anghel at sinabi sa mga babae, Huwag kayong mangatakot; sapagka't nalalaman ko na inyong hinahanap si Jesus na ipinako sa krus.

Mark 15:24 At siya'y kanilang ipinako sa krus, at kanilang pinaghatihatian ang kaniyang mga damit, na kanilang pinagsapalaran, kung alin ang dadalhin ng bawa't isa.

Mark 15:25 At ikatlo na ang oras, at siya'y kanilang ipinako sa krus.

Mark 15:27 At ipinako sa krus na kasama niya ang dalawang tulisan; isa sa kaniyang kanan, at isa sa kaniyang kaliwa.

Mark 16:6 At sinabi niya sa kanila, Huwag kayong mangagitla: hinahanap ninyo si Jesus, ang Nazareno, na ipinako sa krus: siya'y nagbangon; wala siya rito: tingnan ninyo ang dakong pinaglagyan nila sa kaniya!

Luke 23:33 At nang dumating sa dakong tinatawag na Bungo, ay kanilang ipinako roon siya sa krus, at ang mga tampalasan, isa sa kanan at isa sa kaliwa.

John 19:18 Na doo'y ipinako nila siya sa krus, at kasama niya ang dalawa pa, isa sa bawa't tagiliran, at si Jesus sa gitna.

1 Corinto 2:8 Na hindi napagkilala ng sinomang pinuno sa sanglibutang ito: sapagka't kung nakilala sana nila, ay dising di ipinako sa krus ang Panginoon ng kaluwalhatian...

AYAN, SOBRANG DAMI NG PROWEBA NA TAMA TAYO.

MGA UTAK GALUNGGONG ANG MGA SAKSI NI BAHO NA IYAN. NAKAKITA LANG NG ISANG SALITA NA IBINITIN E NAGDUNONG DUNUNGAN NA. HA HA HA...

NGAYON, BAKIT NAMAN PUNONG KAHOY ANG SINABI?

SAGOT:

1. KASI POSIBLENG ANG KRUS AY YARI SA KAHOY NG PUNONG PINUTOL.

2. MAAARING ITO AY HINDI LAMANG LITERAL STATEMENT BUT FIGURATIVE DAHIL SI EVA AT SI ADAN AY TINUKSO NG DEMONIO SA PUNONG KAHOY KAYA ANG MANUNUBOS AY TINUBOS DIN ANG SANLIBUTAN SA PAMAMAGITAN NG PUNONG KAHOY.

ANG TREE OF KNOWLEDGE AY KAAKIT-AKIT... DECEPTIVE AND TEMPTING. ANG KRUS NI CRISTO AY PAINFUL, TERRIFYING AND BEREFT OF BEAUTY BUT IT GAVE LIFE TO ALL THROUGH THE SACRIFICE OF THE REDEEMER.

TINIGNAN LAMANG NG MUKANG UNGGOY NA SI CHARLES TAZE RUSSEL ANG LITERAL SENSE NG TALATA HINDI ANG SPIRITUAL SENSE NIYON.

Monday, July 25, 2011

Singles for Christ: 'Too Sad' SFC does not know the truth

When it comes with charisma, Singles for Christ took it all. But when it comes of Church teachings; Singles for Christ lose its grounds.

I do remember posting this question over S.F.C. facebook account. " What is the foundation of Pillar of truth? The Bible or the Church?"

Too sad; even one of the chapter head choose the Bible, only few chose the Church. One household head even said "It's like egg and chicken thing..."

Wake up Couples for Christ!!!! See heresy is now leaping over S.F.C.!

Household heads only knew how to pray in tongues, or even too long prayers standing like the Pharisees in Jesus time. I feel bad, especially me and my wife took the other way, as a former member, once you got married you are now expected to join the later part; the Couples for Christ.

But with this incident I am thinking twice. I do hope that my fellow Catholic Charismatic groups would hold on to the Traditions handed over from the Apostles.

The problem is Chapter heads became too resourceful...they kept copying Evangelical Christians in all sides. They mused Christian unity, but fail to know their own faith.


Sunday Bible Reflections with Dr. Scott Hahn

July 31st, 2011 - 18th Sunday in Ordinary Time


Food in Due Season

Readings:
Isaiah 55:1-3
Psalm 145:8-9, 15-18
Romans 8:35,37-39
Matthew 14:13-21


In Jesus and the Church, Isaiah’s promises in today’s First Reading are fulfilled. All who are thirsty come to the living waters of baptism (see John 4:14). The hungry delight in rich fare - given bread to eat and wine to drink at the Eucharistic table.

This is the point, too, of today’s Gospel. The story of Jesus’ feeding of the 5,000 brims with allusions to the Old Testament. Jesus is portrayed as a David-like shepherd who leads His flock to lie down on green grass as He spreads the table of the Messiah’s banquet before them (see Psalm 23).

Jesus is shown as a new Moses, who likewise feeds vast crowds in a deserted place. Finally, Jesus is shown doing what the prophet Elisha did - satisfying the hunger of the crowd with a few loaves and having some left over (see 2 Kings 4:42-44).

Matthew also wants us to see the feeding of the 5,000 as a sign of the Eucharist. Notice that Jesus performs the same actions in the same sequence as at the Last Supper - He takes bread, says a blessing, breaks it, and gives it (see Matthew 26:26).

Jesus instructed His apostles to celebrate the Eucharist in memory of Him. And the ministry of the Twelve is subtly stressed in today’s account. Before He performs the miracle, Jesus instructs the Twelve to give the crowd “some food yourselves.” Indeed, the apostles themselves distribute the bread blessed by Jesus (see Matthew 15:36).

And the leftovers are enough to fill precisely 12 baskets - corresponding to each of the apostles, the pillars of the Church (see Galatians 2:9; Revelation 21:14).

In the Church, as we sing in today’s Psalm, God gives us food in due season, opens His hands and satisfies the desires of every living thing. Now, as Paul reminds us in today’s Epistle, nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus.




Yours in Christ,



Scott Hahn, Ph.D.

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Chat Debate on Mary

Here a Protestant wish to derail Catholic's veneration to Mary. See how the arguments turned comedy when Mr. Duran could go any further...
[from Bishop Tagle's dicussion board: 'The Word Exposed' / face book]

Archie posted:
{{{True, that is why I am a Catholic. I hold on to men whom Jesus gave Authority over his Church. }}}

Psalm 118:8-9 (RSV)
[8] It is better to take refuge in the LORD
than to put confidence in man.
[9] It is better to take refuge in the LORD
than to put confidence in princes.

Hold on to the Lord. Not on men. Jesus Christ is the Chief Cornerstone (meaning the top stone of a pyramid) of the Church...Ephesians 2: 20 ( Jesus Christ is over the Church -- the Head) ---The apostles and prophets are the foundational and foundation-laying ministries...Ephesians 2:20 (The leaders are under the Church- supporting)

That's why Peter and those who were given the task of spreading the gospel of Christ are only there to support the early followers--- but their message is one given by Jesus Christ. Not their own message. Not their own teachings...but Jesus Christ's. It is not Peter himself who is the foundation of the Church, but his confession of Jesus, the "huge rock". The acknowledgement of Jesus as Christ is the issue (Matthew 16: 20)

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{{{[That's faith coming from the heart. The thief was compelled to say this because in his heart he believed that Jesus can save him.]

Paul....did your theory was supported by scripture? I don't think so. The Bible does not say anything about it...}}}

Job 33: 3 (RSV)
[3] My words declare the uprightness of my heart,
and what my lips know they speak sincerely.

Psalm 44: 21 (RSV)
[21] would not God discover this?
For he knows the secrets of the heart.

Matthew 12: 34 (RSV)
[34] You brood of vipers! how can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

You see Archie, out of the abundance of the HEART the mouth SPEAKS... The heart of the thief is full of belief in Jesus Christ's Kingdom that's why he uttered "Jesus remember me when you come into your kingdom"... He believed in God...Now are the words I post here supported by Scriptures?

{{{Lastly, Paul your theology is so mixed up... very confusing.... sometimes you sounds a little 'faith alone' sometimes 'faith with works'. }}}

You know why it's confusing? Because no self-effort leads to faith or salvation.

We cannot be saved by doing good works. Doing good works is commanded by God BUT not as a means to salvation...

Hebrews 13: 16 (RSV)
[16] Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

Psalm 34: 14 (RSV)
[14] Depart from evil, and do good;
seek peace, and pursue it.

Psalm 37: 3 (RSV)
[3] Trust in the LORD, and do good;
so you will dwell in the land, and enjoy security.

Luke 6: 35 (RSV)
[35] But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for he is kind to the ungrateful and the selfish.
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But we are not saved by doing good works. But we are commanded to do good works.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (RSV)
[8] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God --
[9] not because of works, lest any man should boast.
[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Titus 3: 5-7 (RSV)
[5] he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit,
[6] which he poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[7] so that we might be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life.
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Acts 10: 43 (RSV)
[43] To him all the prophets bear witness that every one who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

You see, Archie, our sins are forgiven when we believed in the name of Jesus Christ. But that doesn't mean that the person who believed in Jesus would lock himself in a cabinet and then do nothing...that's not what believing in Jesus meant... when you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior He will compel you to change your ways and to avoid sinning..... you have to trust Him...

James 2: 24
[24] You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

A man is JUSTIFIED by works and not by faith alone... because many claim that they believe in Jesus Christ but they continue with their wicked ways... that doesn't make their faith right...

James 2: 26 (RSV)
[26] For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.

We are compelled to DO good works because of our FAITH.

Now do I still sound like sometimes I'm "Faith Alone" and sometimes I'm "Faith with Works"???

Archie, our own good works will never save us BUT we are commanded to do good, that's why we are to do good deeds. Most people sometimes do good in order to look good in front of others... do you think God does not see our intentions? That is why we must never boast in any thing that we can do because God has ALREADY seen our hearts.
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Now about Mary... I did a little research and this is what I found out....

CONSECRATION TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY

"Consecration to the Mother of God," says Pope Pius XII, "is a total gift of self, for the whole of life and for all eternity; and a gift which is not a mere formality or sentimentality, but effectual, comprising the full intensity of the Christian life - Marian life." This consecration, the Pope explained, "tends essentially to union with Jesus, under the guidance of Mary."

By our consecration we promise to become dependent on Mary in all things: to offer all our prayers and oblations to God through Mary, and to seek every gift from God through Mary. And we do this with the greatest confidence. Since she is our mother, she knows our needs better than we; and since she is Queen of Heaven, she has immediate access to the infinite treasury of graces in the Kingdom of her Divine Son.
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Of course I did not place the other parts because I just want you to look at one specific phrase.......Archie......

Did you notice the title Queen of Heaven? (I'm having goosebumps already...)

Aren't you even scared? The term Queen of Heaven is mentioned in the Bible...


Jeremiah 44: 25-29 (RSV)
[25] Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: You and your wives have declared with your mouths, and have fulfilled it with your hands, saying, `We will surely perform our vows that we have made, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and to pour out libations to her.' Then confirm your vows and perform your vows!
[26] Therefore hear the word of the LORD, all you of Judah who dwell in the land of Egypt: Behold, I have sworn by my great name, says the LORD, that my name shall no more be invoked by the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, `As the Lord GOD lives.'
[27] Behold, I am watching over them for evil and not for good; all the men of Judah who are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by famine, until there is an end of them.
[28] And those who escape the sword shall return from the land of Egypt to the land of Judah, few in number; and all the remnant of Judah, who came to the land of Egypt to live, shall know whose word will stand, mine or theirs.
[29] This shall be the sign to you, says the LORD, that I will punish you in this place, in order that you may know that my words will surely stand against you for evil:
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This is why I'm telling you that your VENERATION TO MARY does not please the Lord...

To the person who asked "why do we believe in Mary" this is the kind of answer you need. Mary should never be given any recognition which will level her with the kind of recognition deserved by God alone... BECAUSE THAT IS IDOLATRY....Roman Catholics become DEPENDENT on Mary instead of being dependent to Jesus Christ....
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Paul...

Saint Peter wrote about you Paul....

"But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive opinions." 2 Peter 2:1

Again Saint Peter reminds us...
"I am trying to arouse your sincere intention by reminding you that you should remember the WORDS SPOKEN in the past by the holy prophets, and the commandment of the Lord and Savior SPOKEN THROUGH YOUR APOSTLES. " 2 Peter 3:1-2

RE: Ephesians 2: 20

"built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone."

Amen!!!! LOOK FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS WITH JESUS AS OUR CORNERSTONE.... You only made the Catholic more stable on this...

[That's why Peter and those who were given the task of spreading the gospel of Christ are only there to support the early followers--- but their message is one given by Jesus Christ. Not their own message]

Peter was task to spread the Gospel? Quite right but also Jesus gave the keys of heaven...

[It is not Peter himself who is the foundation of the Church, but his confession of Jesus, the "huge rock". The acknowledgement of Jesus as Christ is the issue (Matthew 16: 20) ]

Matt. 16:18-19--- based on the revelation he received, the verses are clear that Jesus, after acknowledging Peter’s receipt of divine revelation, turns the whole discourse to the person of Peter: Blessed are “you” Simon, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to “you,” and I tell “you,” “you” are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church. I will give “you” the keys to the kingdom, and whatever “you” bind and loose on earth will be bound and loosed in heaven. Jesus’ whole discourse relates to the person of Peter, not his confession of faith.

RE: Job 33: 3 (RSV)
[3] My words declare the uprightness of my heart,
and what my lips know they speak sincerely.

Amen!!!! I believe....who said these lines Paul?

Psalm 44: 21 (RSV)
[21] would not God discover this?
For he knows the secrets of the heart.

I believe!!!! So? who comes first? the Good thieve rebuttal to his fellow thieve? or Jesus' promise of paradise? and Paul do not cut the verse read it as a whole...

Question is he was saved through his spoken words such of " remember me when you are in paradise....?" or with justification of his faith through the rebuttal of his fellow thief? which is more decisive to believe? faith with words? or faith with action?

[You know why it's confusing? Because no self-effort leads to faith or salvation.]

True....so why be a Protestant? You need the real thing Paul...You need the Church.


[We cannot be saved by doing good works. Doing good works is commanded by God BUT not as a means to salvation... ]

Really? what we believe as Catholics is " Good Works in Sanctifying Grace are Necessary for Salvation

If you are right then how about these verse say so....

Sir. 35:19;
Luke 23:41;
John 3:19-21,
Rom. 8:13,
2 Tim 4:14,
Titus 3:8,14,
Rev. 22:12 -

these verses also teach us that we all will be judged by God according to our deeds. There is no distinction between the "saved" and the "unsaved."

[We are compelled to DO good works because of our FAITH.]

Wrong Paul... God did not only instruct good deeds or work not only of faith...but the reason of faith and works...

Saint Peter reminds us: "Instead, as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in all your conduct; 16for it is written, ‘You shall be holy, for I am holy.’ " 1Peter 1:15-16

Paul....your theology is still half or this and some of that....

RE: MARY as QUEEN OF HEAVEN vs Queen of heaven as described in Jeremiah...

Paul...you are always ignorant in scripture. Oh...not just that even Biblical history... You even like to trick Catholics on your words...

See here is a so called Christian who hates and even commits blasphemous against Jesus himself!!!

Paul says: "Mary should never be given any recognition which will level her with the kind of recognition deserved by God alone... BECAUSE THAT IS IDOLATRY"


Now Paul.... the Queen of Heaven described on Jeremiah is not Mary...Did you read "Mary?"

"Astarte/Ashtoreth is the Queen of Heaven to whom the Canaanites had burned incense and poured libations." ----Encyclopedia Britannica

"Ashtoreth ... the ancient Phoenician and Syrian goddess of love and fertility: identified with ASTARTE." --------- Webster's New World College Dictionary


Mary is our Mother and Queen of the New Davidic Kingdom:

John 19:26 - Jesus makes Mary the Mother of us all as He dies on the Cross by saying "behold your mother." Jesus did not say "John, behold your mother" because he gave Mary to all of us, his beloved disciples. All the words that Jesus spoke on Cross had a divine purpose. Jesus was not just telling John to take care of his mother.

Rev. 12:17 - this verse proves the meaning of John 19:26. The "woman's" (Mary's) offspring are those who follow Jesus. She is our Mother and we are her offspring in Jesus Christ. The master plan of God's covenant love for us is family. But we cannot be a complete family with the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Christ without the Motherhood of Mary.

John 2:3 - this is a very signifcant verse in Scripture. As our mother, Mary tells all of us to do whatever Jesus tells us. Further, Mary's intercession at the marriage feast in Cana triggers Jesus' ministry and a foreshadowing of the Eucharistic celebration of the Lamb. This celebration unites all believers into one famiy through the marriage of divinity and humanity.

John 2:7 - Jesus allows His mother to intercede for the people on His behalf, and responds to His mother's request by ordering the servants to fill the jars with water.

Psalm 45:9 - the psalmist teaches that the Queen stands at the right hand of God. The role of the Queen is important in God's kingdom. Mary the Queen of heaven is at the right hand of the Son of God.

1 Kings 2:17, 20 - in the Old Testament Davidic kingdom, the King does not refuse his mother. Jesus is the new Davidic King, and He does not refuse the requests of his mother Mary, the Queen.

1 Kings 2:18 - in the Old Testament Davidic kingdom, the Queen intercedes on behalf of the King's followers. She is the Queen Mother (or "Gebirah"). Mary is our eternal Gebirah.

1 Kings 2:19 - in the Old Testament Davidic kingdom the King bows down to his mother and she sits at his right hand. We, as children of the New Covenant, should imitate our King and pay the same homage to Mary our Mother. By honoring Mary, we honor our King, Jesus Christ.

1 Kings 15:13 - the Queen Mother is a powerful position in Israel's royal monarchy. Here the Queen is removed from office. But now, the Davidic kingdom is perfected by Jesus, and our Mother Mary is forever at His right hand.

2 Chron. 22:10 - here Queen Mother Athalia destroys the royal family of Judah after she sees her son, King Ahaziah, dead. The Queen mother plays a significant role in the kingdom.

Neh. 2:6 - the Queen Mother sits beside the King. She is the primary intercessor before the King.

Hey...Paul nice try...... Remember Biblical History and other books says different....

Study more Paul...



CONSECRATION TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY

"Consecration to the Mother of God," says Pope Pius XII, "is a total gift of self, for the whole of life and for all eternity; and a gift which is not a mere formality or sentimentality, but effectual, comprising the full intensity of the Christian life - Marian life." This consecration, the Pope explained, "tends essentially to union with Jesus, under the guidance of Mary."

By our consecration we promise to become dependent on Mary in all things: to offer all our prayers and oblations to God through Mary, and to seek every gift from God through Mary. And we do this with the greatest confidence. Since she is our mother, she knows our needs better than we; and since she is Queen of Heaven, she has immediate access to the infinite treasury of graces in the Kingdom of her Divine Son.
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Do you know how to read Archie?

Notice the last part? --- and since she is Queen of Heaven, she has immediate access to the infinite treasury of graces in the Kingdom of her Divine Son.

The Roman Catholic church has upgraded Mary to the status of Queen of Heaven....

I believe you have read that part Archie... and still you would post---{{{Mary is our Mother and Queen of the New Davidic Kingdom:}}}

Are you trying to deny that the CONSECRATION TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY is not believable?

The title Queen of Heaven is written there.... Are you trying to deny this?

You have exaggerated the role of Mary already... did Jesus tell us that Mary is a queen? I've read that Jesus is the bridegroom and his faithful followers are the bride.... but I haven't read that Mary should be regarded as queen...

The situation during the reign of Solomon is not the kind of system we have in heaven...


{{{Now Paul.... the Queen of Heaven described on Jeremiah is not Mary...Did you read "Mary?" }}}

That's exactly my point...the TITLE Queen of Heaven is NOW given to Mary...

Notice this part in the CONSECRATION TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY

---Since she is our mother, she knows our needs better than we; and since she is Queen of Heaven, she has immediate access to the infinite treasury of graces in the Kingdom of her Divine Son.---

Didn't you read what's written here? Mary is now Queen of Heaven...

And here's more....read on....
---By our consecration we promise to become dependent on Mary in all things: to offer all our prayers and oblations to God through Mary, and to seek every gift from God through Mary.---

The Bible tells us on the contrary...

John 14: 6 (RSV)
[6] Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, BUT BY ME.

---But by me.... that is by Jesus Christ... through Jesus Christ....and now you're saying that it is THROUGH Mary?????????????

Oh c'mon....

And here's more.... read on...

----To offer all our prayers and oblations to God THROUGH Mary, and to seek every gift from God THROUGH Mary.----

Are you reading this Archie? Aren't you even guilty?


Notice this prayer Archie...

Novena Prayer to Our Lady of the Angels

August Queen of Heaven! Sovereign Queen of the Angels! You who at the beginning received from God the power and the mission to crush the head of Satan, we beseech you humbly, send your holy legions so that, on your orders and by your power, they will track down demons, fight them everywhere, curb their audacity and plunge them into the abyss.

Who can be compared to God? Oh good and tender Mother, you will always be our love and our hope.

Oh Mother of the Divine Son, Send the holy angels and archangels to defend me and to keep the cruel enemy far from me.

Holy Angels and Archangels defend us, protect us.Amen.
-----------------------

Do you now understand how Mary takes away the credit that is due to Jesus Christ?

Read this line and ask yourself Archie...

--- You who at the beginning received from God the power and the mission to crush the head of Satan----

To crush Satan is the role of Jesus Christ... not Mary's....

(I'll use the NIV Bible because there is a missing verse in the RSV Bible....

Matthew 21:44 (NIV)
Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”

Mat. 21:44 (NRSV)
The one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and it will crush anyone on whom it falls.’

this is the first time that i replied on this thread, not because i am not interested but i can not find a reason not to believe in Mary, the Mother of Jesus.

hey protestants! what is your problem with Mary? is it Mary or what you believe the way we pay respect to Mary?

if you ask your pastor to pray for you, then why not Mary, the person nearest to our Lord Jesus Christ.

are you going to say she is not omnipresent? she transcends through time and space because she is in her glorified body unless you believe that Mary is languishing in hell.

on the issue of "queen of heaven" here is what i can contribute:

The Catholic teaching on this subject is expressed in the papal encyclical Ad Caeli Reginam,[1] issued by Pope Pius XII. It states Mary is called the Queen of Heaven because her Son, Jesus Christ, is the King of Israel and heavenly King of the Universe. In the Hebrew tradition, the mother of the king is the queen (see queen mother). Catholic dogma (Apostolic Constitution Munificentissimus Deus) states that the Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.[2] The title Queen of Heaven has long been a Catholic tradition, included in prayers and devotional literature, and seen in Western art in the subject of the Coronation of the Virgin, from the High Middle Ages, long before it was given a formal dogmatic definition status by the Church. For centuries, Catholics, while reciting the Litany of Loreto were already invoking Mary as "Queen of Heaven".

note that hebrew tradition "the mother of king is the queen." so if jesus was a king and indeed as catholics we believe he is then following the hebrew tradition, mary becomes a queen or specifically "our queen" as catholics.

paul duran, mary and christ are NOT in contest with each other for our prayers, glory and honor. they belong to the same team. all devotions ot mary and the saints lead to christ. all our prayers end with christ!

remember that whatever honor titles and honor mary has is because of her relationship with her son. as he analogy goes "mary is the moon that gets its light from the sun who is jesus."

hector

Paul,

Before you can put up a comment on Catholic teachings you should know what you are talking.

[Notice the last part? --- and since she is Queen of Heaven, she has immediate access to the infinite treasury of graces in the Kingdom of her Divine Son.]

True, because she is ONLY woman in the Bible who are favored...

[Are you trying to deny that the CONSECRATION TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY is not believable?]

Nope, it only strengthen the fact that Mary is the Queen of heaven.... Through the Davinic
Line of Jesus...If Jesus is a King...then her mother should be the Queen....since Jesus does not have any wife...

[The title Queen of Heaven is written there.... Are you trying to deny this?]

Nope. True it is written... BUT there is no sane Biblical historian that could tied the Pagan Queen to the Virgin Mary.


IF YOU INSIST then maybe you should start comparing Jesus and Dionysus...

Jesus -- Born of a virgin
-- Baptism
-- Sacred Meal
-- Death and resurrection
-- Salvation

Dionysus was celebrated in Civic religion and in mysteries. The Mysteries of Dionysus included
initiation by bathing—baptism
a sacred meal
a myth about the death and resurrection the god
salvation..

SEE the Similarity?

I only brought it because you are so ignorant.

[You have exaggerated the role of Mary already... did Jesus tell us that Mary is a queen? I've read that Jesus is the bridegroom and his faithful followers are the bride.... but I haven't read that Mary should be regarded as queen... ]

Did Jesus said she could not be called a Queen since He had a eternal Kingdom?

[The situation during the reign of Solomon is not the kind of system we have in heaven...]

Well, if you read it as it is.... you had already denied evidences.

[That's exactly my point...the TITLE Queen of Heaven is NOW given to Mary...]

Hmmm... so do I have to be worried when we Catholics believe in God head? Where as Egyptians called Osiris as their own God head?

Paul, wake up! Christianity is a minority of all religion in those days! Thanks to the Roman Catholic church who erased pagan gods who resembled Christianity...


RE: CONSECRATION TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY

[Paul said:"Since she is our mother, she knows our needs better than we; and since she is Queen of Heaven, she has immediate access to the infinite treasury of graces in the Kingdom of her Divine Son.---
Didn't you read what's written here? Mary is now Queen of Heaven...]

Paul...read the next line...

"Mary is not only the Mother of Jesus, Son of the Eternal Father; she is also Mother of all the Father's adopted children. As their Mother, she has been given the role of molding them into the likeness of Jesus..." CONSECRATION TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY [http://www.rosary-center.org/consecrt.htm]

Do I still have to explain this?

[By our consecration we promise to become dependent on Mary in all things: to offer all our prayers and oblations to God through Mary, and to seek every gift from God through Mary.---]

If consecration to Mary "tends essentially to union with Jesus, under the guidance of Mary," as Pope Pius XII pointed out, we must remember that any gradual transformation into Christ requires a gradual loving acceptance of a greater share in His redeeming Cross.

So when we offer ourselves to Mary to lead us, to form us into the likeness of her Son, we are offering to let her lead us along the way of the Cross.
CONSECRATION TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY [http://www.rosary-center.org/consecrt.htm]

[John 14: 6 (RSV)
[6] Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, BUT BY ME. ]

Amen I believe!!!!

[---But by me.... that is by Jesus Christ... through Jesus Christ....and now you're saying that it is THROUGH Mary?????????????]

Yes Paul....through her... I believe I had answer this long ago.... we called it intercessory prayer.

[Are you reading this Archie? Aren't you even guilty?]

No I am not....but how about you? You almost called her insignificant creature of God...

Re: Gen 3:15

Paul...study hermeneutics...and how writers wrote....

I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will strike your head,
and you will strike his heel -----Gen 3:15

He will strike . . . at his heel: since the antecedent for he and his is the collective noun offspring, i.e., all the descendants of the woman, a more exact rendering of the sacred writer's words would be, "They will strike . . . at their heels."

However, later theology saw in this passage more than unending hostility between snakes and men. The serpent was regarded as the devil (Wisdom 2:24; John 8:44; Rev 12:9; 20:2), whose eventual defeat seems implied in the contrast between head and heel. Because "the Son of God appeared that he might destroy the works of the devil" (1 John 3:8), the passage can be understood as the first promise of a Redeemer for fallen mankind. The woman's offspring then is primarily Jesus Christ.


Paul....it is between "Ipsa" and "Ipsum"

e.g. Ipsa, the woman: so divers of the fathers read this place, conformably to the Latin:
others read it ipsum, viz. the seed.

The sense is the same: for it is by her seed, Jesus Christ, that the woman crushes
the serpent's head.

According to Early Christian History on Scriptures:

"The fathers who have cited the old Italic version, taken from the Septuagint agree with the Vulgate, which is followed by almost all the Latins; and hence we may argue with probability, that the Septuagint and the Hebrew formerly acknowledged ipsa, which now moves the indignation of Protestants so much, as if we intended by it to give any divine honour to the blessed Virgin Mary."


Re:Matthew 21:44 (NIV) / NRSV

I believe! Read the hermeneutics and co relation between Gen 3:15 if they have....

[Do you now understand how Mary takes away the credit that is due to Jesus Christ?]

I had already answer you on this Paul...review my posts...

Paul.... you are the ONLY Protestant who always like theological garbage....

LEARN real Biblical Exegesis....For what I know Ateneo had this subject offered to all laity...
Study more...so that once you posted your answer; you would have little credibility, taking to it self that you are just a tabloid reader.

archie you are good and right.

paul follow th advice of archie to study the catholic doctrine first, you cannot critic something that you have little or knowledge about. please be accurate and fair. please lang.

hector

Friday, July 15, 2011

7 CATHOLIC BISHOPS VINDICATED! NO PAJERO, NO SUV VEHICLES! PCSO CHAIRPERSON MARGARITA JUICO FOUND LYING THROUGH HER TEETH!

http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2011/07/7-catholic-bishops-vindicated-no-pajero.html

MANILA, Philippines - Accusations hurled by the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office against Catholic bishops boomeranged on the agency on Wednesday after members of the Senate Blue Ribbon Committee quizzed the PCSO chief on why the prelates were accused of receiving Pajero cars when not one of them acquired the said luxury sport utility vehicle manufactured by Mitsubishi Motors using PCSO money.

After the bishops from Northern Luzon and Mindanao defended the acquisition and use of vehicles for secular activities such as medical missions and feeding programs in the hinterlands, Sen. Jinggoy Estrada grilled PCSO chairperson Margarita Juico on the source of the reports about the "Pajero bishops."

"Mrs. Juico, who came out with that false report that the bishops were receiving Pajeros? Who came out with the word Pajero? I presumed all the bishops did not receive any Pajero, it was four-by-four," said Estrada.

Booed

At least twice, Juico was booed by the audience from the Senate gallery after she failed to fully explain who from the PCSO claimed that the bishops acquired Pajero cars.

"Your honor at that time, I think the board did not have a copy yet of which vehicles were sent out. All we had was the COA (Commission on Audit) report," said Juico.

"You mean to say Mrs. Juico, that the present PCSO board invented that name Pajero just to put the bishops in bad light?" said Estrada.

"No, we never said Pajero. We were given this finding from COA that five vehicles costing P6.9 million granted to the Catholic Church were charged to the charity fund. The name Pajero did not come from us. It came about when somebody said it was Pajero," replied Juico.

Asked again by the senator who that somebody was, Juico replied: "I don't know."

Then Estrada read portions of several news reports quoting Juico as saying that the bishops received Pajero units from former President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo a few months before she stepped down from office.

Juico defended herself and said that, "I don't recall saying Pajeros," adding that "I think I have corrected that many times because it was said that I said that."

Estrada told the PCSO chairman that it was unfair for the prelates to be lumped as the Pajero bishops. "Eh hindi naman talaga mga luxury vehicles ang tinatanggap nitong ating mga bishops, kawawa naman sila [The bishops did not receive luxury vehicles, I take pity on them.]

Shamed

Earlier in the hearing, senators Vicente Sotto III and Panfilo Lacson likewise expressed sympathy for the bishops. Five of them acquired the following vehicles using PCSO money: Toyota Hi-Ace Grandia van; a secondhand ten-year-old Nissan Pathfinder pickup; a Mitsubishi Strada pickup; a Mitsubishi Montero; and an Isuzu Crosswind.

"Senator Lacson and I could not help but discuss something that has been mentioned a number of times," said Sotto pertaining to the repeated statements of the bishops since last week that they would return all the vehicles they had acquired using PCSO money.

"If I can object to the decision of the bishops in returning the vehicles, I would. Parang pilay-pilay na sila ngayon pagkatapos n'on, para isauli ang mga binigay na 'yon. Eh ginagamit ng mabuti, kailangan. Isasauli dahil napahiya, napahiya dahil may nagheadline ng Pajero bishops. Wala naman palang Pajero. I think we should take a second look at this decision to return the vehicles. If I were the PCSO, I will not accept it," said Sotto.

[If I can object to the decision of the bishops in returning the vehicles, I would. They're like crippled now after this for them to return what was given to them. They used the vehicles well, for necessity. They are returning them because they were shamed by the headlines about the Pajero bishops. But there were no Pajeros. I think we should take a second look at this decision to return the vehicles. If I were the PCSO, I will not accept it.]

More than careless

At the end of the hearing, more senators took up the cudgels for the beleaguered bishops.

Senate president Juan Ponce Enrile thought that PCSO officials were more than careless in their accusations.

"Palagay ko hindi lang careless...Ang hirap, hindi 'yung dokumento ang pinagbasehan kundi yung gustong sabihin ng mga tao. Nagugulo ang publiko, di lumalabas ang katotohanan," Enrile told reporters after the hearing.

[I think they were more than careless...The problem was that the allegations were not based on the documents but on what people want to say. The public is being confused, the truth is not coming out.]

"I think they (bishops) were unfairly accused of receiving expensive vehicles, which was rather incorrect. The matter was clarified already...We have the head of the PCSO, they said they did not say Pajero, I don't know how true that is," added Enrile.

Sen. Teofisto Guingona III, the chairman of the committee also exonerated the bishops.

"Walang mali sa paggamit nila ng sasakyan. Lahat ay nagsabi na ginamit nila sa sekular, hindi for religious purpose [There was nothing wrong in how they utilized the vehicles. All of them said these were used for secular activities not for religious purpose]," said Guingona.

Early ally

Even before the inquiry into the PCSO fund scandal resumed on Wednesday, the bishops found an early ally in Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago.

In a privilege speech before the hearing, the senator dismissed the 2009 COA report, which said that the purchase of the vehicles was a violation of the constitutional provision that no public money should be appropriated directly or indirectly for the use of any church.
(Click her to read the full text of Sen. Santiago's speech)

"I humbly submit that the COA report is wrong, and that there was no constitutional violation. Under the Constitution, the power of the COA is to audit government funds, not to settle questions of constitutional law," the senator said.

"That power is granted only to the Supreme Court. COA should have recommended that the constitutional issue should be raised with the Department of Justice, which is the official legal adviser of the executive branch of the government," Santiago added.

Jurisprudence

Citing the 1937 case of Aglipay v. Ruiz as jurisprudence on whether there was Constitutional violation in the use of public money for religious purposes, Santiago said that the high court ruled that there was no violation in the case.

The case involved the post office's issuance of postage stamps commemorating an international eucharistic congress of the Catholic church.

"It is obvious that while the issuance and sale of the stamps in question may be said to be inseparably linked with an event of a religious character, the resulting propaganda, if any, received by the Roman Catholic Church, was not the aim and purpose of the Government," said Santiago.

"We are of the opinion that the government should not be embarrassed in its activities simply because of incidental results, more or less religious in character, if the purpose had in view is one which could legitimately be undertaken by appropriate legislation. The main purpose should not be frustrated by its subordination to mere incidental results not contemplated," she added.

SOURCE:

FR. ABE:

This morning tears flowed from my eyes as our Bishops humbly and gracefully faced their accusers and the elected leaders of the land the Senators of the Blue Ribbon Committee. The Bishops were humiliated in public but they are undefeated by the forces of Darkness trying to discredit the Catholic Church. They showed wisdom and sincerity amidst the political and social backlash waiting for them from the enemies of the Church.

The enemies wanted blood. They wanted the Bishops to be paraded as spectacles to be insulted and our Bishop entered the Lions' Den like Daniel in Babylon. But the plan of Satan and his cohorts was confounded by the Holy Spirit. They were surprisingly neutralized. They have been found bereft of any evidence to pinpoint the Bishop to the guillotine and they have been found LYING... YES, THEY ARE LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH. The PCSO Head should not be referred to as Chairperson but CHAIRLIAR.

The Senate expressed regret to the Bishop for the troubles and the pain, the PSCO apologized. The Bishops were allowed to go unharmed like Daniel saved from the Jaws of Death. It is the triumph of Truth over Lies, of Goodness over Evil, but Charity over Greed and of Courage over Fear.

TO THE ENEMIES WHO HAVE INSULTED US AND OUR BISHOPS WE SAY: "BEGONE SATAN. ENOUGH OF YOUR LIES AND YOUR CORRUPTING ACCUSATIONS. RETURN TO HELL WHERE YOU BELONG AND WHERE YOU CAME FROM!"

Tuesday, July 12, 2011

Protestant eating his own stuffs

Protestants sometimes do this.....their minds are not stable....

Paul Cesar Duran
{{{I believe the Bible as inspired....but not as literalist way as what Protestant do...}}}

No Archie... you are prejudiced with Protestants that's why...you believe the Bible as inspired and that's just it... Inspired... and then nothing more...

{{{Your Faith is at stake.....we Catholics hope for it....do not claim as you were saved...}}}

Romans 10:9
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Have you declared this already Archie?


{{{So? and also in the Traditions of the Church...}}}

Not all... Jesus Christ made many things new which people learned from the Old Testament, that's why He came.... to make some new practices because the old ones will be obsolete...


Absolute salvation... absolute authority...

Turn to Jesus Christ..... He is...

{{{ half true...but he never change Mosaic law He (Jesus Christ) he was the epitome of the Law! }}}

It was God's law, by the way... not Moses'...


Archie posted:

{{{ No its not....you said Absolute Salvation....there is no assurance of Salvation. }}}

Because assurance of salvation was never mentioned to you, that's why...

Jesus Christ is the assurance of salvation... do you believe this? Yes or no?
Now he said....



For a while I used to wonder why Jesus didn't cast Satan out of Judas. After all, he'd sent demons out of people before. He could have saved Judas, right? Set him free from the devil? Why didn't he? I thought I finally had a question that cornered God.
But then I remembered that everything Jesus did was guided by perfect love. Judas had chosen his own path and priorities, just like that rich young man whom Jesus let walk away. Judas didn't want to be saved. Jesus had to let him go because Judas wasn't ready to be a follower.
See the Protestant turn 380 degree?

Saturday, July 9, 2011

Protestant Illusion: Feeding me a Lies...

Paul Cesar Duran send me this picture...and said this is the result of veneration. He did not know this is not a canonize image of the Virgin Mary.

The beauty of the Roman Catholic Church is on its AUTHORITY. When someone present you this lies, there is the Church whom to look for answer.

Friday, July 8, 2011

Sola Scriptura part 2

Here is the fresh reply to me by a Protestant. Well this is after the doctrinal dance...Do you know what is "doctrinal dance?" It is mind to mind tactics to scare Catholics; its a race of the minds...But Catholics must be eager to lift one heavy question to another. Then throw a catapult of questions coming from Protestant shallow theology.

After a long response I gave him (which you can check from part1) this is only reply I got:


Archie,

If your hope is in God, why do you sound as if you're uncertain about this hope of yours?

Bonnie,

I read the Bible because in it I learn to grow more in being Christlike. Jesus Christ is the foundation of the truth. When I read the Bible, I learn things which were not taught me when I was younger. Jesus Christ is the absolute truth.
Peter's foundation was also rooted upon a rock, and that rock is Christ. My Christian faith is also rooted in Jesus Christ.
and I told him....

Paul,

My hope is in God....Thus I could say;

We are saved.... because in 2 Cor 5:17 "So whoever is in Christ is a new creation"...I firmly believe that what Jesus Christ died for our sin and rose from the dead...

We are being saved...as a Catholic we hold strongly on oral and written Tradition...
1 Cor 15:2 " Through it (the gospel) you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you, unless you believed in vain."

We will be saved...that we place our hope and confidence that God will give us the grace of perseverance; that we may respond to it; and accept his gift of salvation until the hour death.

This acknowledges the third meaning the words "saved" and "salvation" have in scripture--the future deliverance of believers at the Second Coming of Christ.

Rom 5:9
How much more then, since we are now justified by his blood, will we be saved through him from the wrath.
This guy keeps on jumping topics....I should rename my title to Sola Fide...

Sola Scriptura Debate


POPE BENEDICT XVI




Archie asks:
{{{So Paul....does the Bible whom you recognize that had sole authority contains the absolute truth?}}}

The Bible contains the recorded account of the message that we need to follow in order to live the kind of life that God wanted us to live.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church is not the teachings that we should follow...

[The Bible contains the recorded account of the message that we need to follow in order to live the kind of life that God wanted us to live.]

Paul, you are not answering my question...Does the Bible HAD THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH?

Wrong...Paul.... Catechism is not a rule book.....It's described and explain our faith.

I asked you once again:

Does the Bible whom you recognize that had authority CONTAINS ABSOLUTE TRUTH?

2Tim 3:16 says, “All scripture is... profitable for teaching....” True.

Reversing the statement with the word “alone”, however, makes the statement false. “All that is profitable for teaching is found in the scripture alone.”

Ex. Peter witnessed the transfiguration of Christ. - Correct.
The transfiguration of Christ was witnessed by Peter “alone”. - Incorrect. (James and John were also present.)

The Catholic Church teaches Sacred Tradition (2 Thess 2:15, 3:6, 2 Tim. 2:2) and Sacred Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16–17) make up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God." (Dei Verbum, 1965) See Also, John 21:25.

Interpreting the Scripture without one Magisterium or teaching authority may be subject to different and wrong interpretations. That is why the church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim. 3:15) with Peter and the apostles as the appointed teaching authority of God. (Matt 16:19, Gal 2:9)

Peter and the apostles were commanded to preach the Gospel. (Mark 3:14, Luke 9:16, Luke 10:16)

In order that the Gospel and Truth might always be preserved, the disciples left bishops as their successors (Phil 1:1, 1Tim 3:2, Titus 1:7, 1 Pet 2:25) so the Gospel will be preached (correctly) to the ends of the world (Rev 14:6) until the end of time (Matt 24:14).

*** *** *** *** *** *** ***

Dr. David Anders is a Protestant pastor who converted to Catholicism.

Here are some of his statements.
“After college, I earned a doctorate in Church history so I could flesh out the story and prove to all the poor Catholics that they were in the wrong Church.”

“Calvin shocked me by rejecting key elements of my Evangelical tradition. Born-again spirituality, private interpretation of Scripture, a broad-minded approach to denominations – Calvin opposed them all. I discovered that his concerns were vastly different, more institutional, even more Catholic.”

“Why should Calvin treat these “Catholic things” with such seriousness? Was he right in thinking them so important? And if so, was he justified in leaving the Catholic Church?”

To read complete article, http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2010/06/conversion-story-of-dr-david-anders-and.html

I conform Bonnie

Thanks, Archie :) Hopefully, we can keep the peace

I am praying for that...


Archie asks:

{{{Paul, you are not answering my question...Does the Bible HAD THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH?}}}

This is my answer Archie--- Jesus Christ IS the absolute truth, and I get to learn more about Him when I read the Bible.

If you are reading the Bible Archie ( really reading the Bible ) please do so wholeheartedly... one is advised not to take halfheartedly what's written in the Bible... it's never proper to read some parts of the Bible and ignoring some other parts.

Revelation 3:16

16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

And by the way Bonnie... exchanging opinions per se does not alter peace, exchanging foul comments does... I respect Archie and Archie respects me, we have kept the peace for so long now, thank you very much...


By the way Dr. David Anders is Baptist... I'm not Baptist...thank you very much...

-----Although Calvin rejected the authority of Rome, there were things about the Catholic faith he never thought about leaving.-----

This was Calvin's dilemma... lukewarmness... Revelation 3: 16...

Luke 5:37
37 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the new wine will burst the skins; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined.

The strong hold of Calvin's old practices manifested themselves in his new understanding of Christ's message... that shouldn't have been the case...

Romans 12:2

2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the RENEWING of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

Hebrews 8:13
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

When Jesus Christ came to earth, He made clear all misunderstood issues... the Pharisees thought their practices pleases God, but Jesus Christ rebuked them on most points... Peter and the disciples were rebuked and corrected... even Mary was rebuked... you know why? Because their presuppositions hindered them from seeing or realizing God's message...

If a person really want God to take over, he should let God teach him. Not the other way around... that is why it is very important to be dependent on God and not on any other teachings... and where do we get to learn about God's teaching? In the Bible...

If a person's interpretations are not right, then God will rebuke him or her. He or she should always ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Because the credit does not fall on a person's capability to interpret what he/she reads, the credit falls on God alone... Jesus Christ made himself very clear with that fact.

Hebrews 5:4
4 And no one takes this honor on himself, but he receives it when called by God, just as Aaron was.

I cannot bear that people would take the words in the Bible as something man-made when they are God-inspired...

Paul,

I do read the Bible wholeheartedly....true a totality of the scripture must be always in mind. That is the reason I never used Masoteric text or Masoteric Scripture Canon. (e.g NIV, NASB, ESV etc...) I used only two verses NRSV-CE / RSV-CE or NAB.

You still did not answer it, Paul.

In your answer you said Jesus is the absolute truth....Yes I do conform and you kept reading the Bible, to learn more about him....nice to hear that.

BUT since you said Jesus is the absolute truth, I do not believe that the Bible alone handles all about Jesus....

What about these verses?

"Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book. 31But these are written so that you may come to believe* that Jesus is the Messiah,* the Son of God, and that through believing you may have life in his name". - John 20:30-31

And you said....to learn more about Jesus you need to read the Bible right? But Absolute truth about Jesus does not written down in the Bible...If it did then why does this verse exist....John 21:25

"But there are also many other things that Jesus did; if every one of them were written down, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. " John 21:25

So where else?


If my answer did not satisfy you Archie, that does not mean that I did not answer... Jesus Christ even answered in parables... because He knew who would understand His reply.

Jesus Christ did many other things not written in this BOOK. Did you notice that word Archie... in THIS BOOK--- that is the Book of John--- because John knew that the other disciples recorded other incidents too... that was why John wrote--- Not written in this book...

Get it?

Now, let me ask you this Archie... how many blind men did Jesus Christ heal?
Not all of those accounts needed to be written down, because they were so many, and still the message is one and the same--- Jesus Christ restores sight to blind people---

Get it?

Let's say.....in April--- 47 blind men got their sight back
.....in May--- 8 blind men got their sight back
.....in June--- 21 blind men got their sight back
... and the list could go on and on.... and we are just talking about blind men Archie...

Let's say....in January--- 4 lepers were healed
....in February--- 3 lepers were healed
...in March------ 10 lepers were healed
...and the list could go on and on... and we are just talking about lepers Archie...

Are you saying then that all that Jesus Christ did should be recorded and written down so as to have proof that He is a miracle worker?

One blind man receiving his sight back is enough to convince me that Jesus Christ is my only hope.... One leper healed is enough to convince me that Jesus Christ is my healer... One penitent thief saved is enough to convince me that Jesus Christ alone saves sinners... Do you understand now, Archie?

If all of those miracles were written down, how then would people be able to carry their Bible to church? It's a pity that some people don't carry their Bible to church... it's not heavy, isn't it?

You said to learn more about Jesus which is the Absolute truth you must read the Bible and Yes...there are truth to that. The sad part is not all was contained.


[Are you saying then that all that Jesus Christ did should be recorded and written down so as to have proof that He is a miracle worker?]

nope....4 Gospel are enough...

[One blind man receiving his sight back is enough to convince me that Jesus Christ is my only hope.... One leper healed is enough to convince me that Jesus Christ is my healer... One penitent thief saved is enough to convince me that Jesus Christ alone saves sinners... Do you understand now, Archie?]

i do understand you....but still the truth about everything especially about the teaching of Christ is not founded ONLY in the Bible...Paul

[If all of those miracles were written down, how then would people be able to carry their Bible to church? It's a pity that some people don't carry their Bible to church... it's not heavy, isn't it?]

In the Catholic sense....we do not need to carry a Bible all the time. We had missals ready for each worship service.

I get your point...about John's Gospel...but the thing is still the foundation of truth does not found alone in the Bible....

Im sad you're the 55th Protestant i asked, including my cousin....still had different answer...

What I am trying to say is this.....The Bible is an excellent tool to know and learn the moral principle of Christ. To read the all four Gospels are great blessing.

But to make a book a center of Jesus Christ's teaching is absurd.

If that what it is....then who says last word? Everyone can read the Bible and know about Jesus....but who can say the truth on the things that people are reading?

Who can say this is the TRUE interpretation....Since the Bible had a Divine breath....who can display to all Christian the absolute truth?


{{{i do understand you....but still the truth about everything especially about the teaching of Christ is not founded ONLY in the Bible...Paul}}}

I understand why you're saying this Archie... I used to read other sources too because I wanted answers to some of my questions... but that longing of mine does not mean that the Bible does not offer all the answers.

You see, people look for answers... answers they WANT... but the Bible only gives people the answers they NEED... And the answers that we need are not necessarily the kind of answers we want...you see the difference now?

Deuteronomy 29:29
29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.

There are secret things that only God can reveal.... but...

Jeremiah 29:13
13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

Wholeheartedly Archie... give your heart to seeking God alone...

Because you have decided that the foundation of truth is not found in the Bible, do you think you are right? Because the foundation of truth is Jesus Christ....

Where did you first hear about Jesus Christ, Archie?

[You see, people look for answers... answers they WANT... but the Bible only gives people the answers they NEED... And the answers that we need are not necessarily the kind of answers we want...you see the difference now? ]

The difference i see is that Protestant teaching hold no water. You did still not answer the question....

[Wholeheartedly Archie... give your heart to seeking God alone...]

Yes I do. Protestant can't face when it comes to Authority.

[Because you have decided that the foundation of truth is not found in the Bible, do you think you are right? Because the foundation of truth is Jesus Christ....]

True it is not in the Bible.... Because the Bible said in 1 Timothy 3:15
"if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth...."

So if i had questions or If I wish to learn more about my Bible I will go to the Church...not based everything on my self interpretation...

[Where did you first hear about Jesus Christ, Archie?]
My Parent thought me....not a book.

It was the Church who had the pillar and bulwark of truth.....The very Bible you used came from the Church....

With this the ABSOLUTE TRUTH was exposed....not merely reading it....Christ never mention that the Good News opt to be read....IT MUST BE HEARD....

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. -Mark 13:31

heaven and earth will pass away, but Jesus' Word will not pass away. But Jesus never says anything about His Word being entirely committed to a book. Also, it took 400 years to compile the Bible, and another 1,000 years to invent the printing press. How was the Word of God communicated? Orally, by the bishops of the Church, with the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit.

Luke 10:16
"‘Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.’

He who hears you (not "who reads your writings"), hears me. The oral word passes from Jesus to the apostles to their successors by the gracious gifts of the Holy Spirit. This succession has been preserved in the Holy Catholic Church.

Paul...bear this in mind....

"So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ." Romans 10:17

You can not learn more about Jesus or the Truth of Jesus in just merely reading Paul....Faith is not learned...It is a gift from God.

RE: Rom. 10:17
- faith comes by what is "heard" (not just read) which is the Word that is "preached" (not read). This word comes from the oral tradition of the apostles. Those in countries where the Scriptures are not available can still come to faith in Jesus Christ.


I guess your priests depend on ORAL traditions then... and when they are asked about something they do not consult the Bible I suppose... am I right?

[Where did you first hear about Jesus Christ, Archie?]
{{{My Parent thought me....not a book. }}}

Your parent taught you, when they in turn were taught by their parents and so forth and so on... so they never read the Bible then? They only depend on what was handed down to them...hmmm...

Mark 7:13
13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

Sometimes I really can't understand why people would believe others and not confirm what they hear in the Bible...

So you don't confirm or corroborate what was told you? Is this what you mean by-- IT MUST BE HEARD???
No need to confirm the recorded facts concerning the words spoken by God????

What if your priest read from a Latin book?? You would just believe him without even confirming what he told you??? Because he is the authority.. no need to question, right? Is that it Archie? Just believe what you hear from the priest???

{{{The difference i see is that Protestant teaching hold no water. You did still not answer the question....}}}

Hold no water?? That's just your opinion, Archie... I answered your question already... if you did not like my answer, that is still an answer...



This is what Archie posted:
{{{"So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ." Romans 10:17

You can not learn more about Jesus or the Truth of Jesus in just merely reading Paul....Faith is not learned...It is a gift from God.}}}

The word of Christ is recorded in the Bible Archie....

It's funny when you are reading the Bible but then you do not believe what you read...

The message that Paul and the early church leaders preached is the teachings they learn from Jesus Christ and many other instructions inspired by the Holy Spirit... people get to read about those messages nowadays when they read the Bible... The Roman Catholic church Archie is not that reliable when it comes to their teachings because they do not follow most of the things written in the Bible... one of which is Mary being a Mediatrix... why would I believe a teaching about Mary being equal to the authority of Jesus Christ??

The faith of the people is at stake here Archie, and Jesus Christ did not tell us about any other human being who deserves the kind of respect which is for God alone...

[Your parent taught you, when they in turn were taught by their parents and so forth and so on... so they never read the Bible then? They only depend on what was handed down to them...hmmm...]

Paul...as what the Bible said....Faith was heard.....it was never been read.

[The word of Christ is recorded in the Bible Archie....]

So? and also in the Traditions of the Church...

[It's funny when you are reading the Bible but then you do not believe what you read...]

I believe the Bible as inspired....but not as literalist way as what Protestant do...

[The faith of the people is at stake here Archie, and Jesus Christ did not tell us about any other human being who deserves the kind of respect which is for God alone... ]

Your Faith is at stake.....we Catholics hope for it....do not claim as you were saved...

True Protestant hold no water at all..

Ohh yes you answered...BUT far reached...Anyway...what could I am waiting for an answer to a Protestant who hold no Authority at all.


{{{I believe the Bible as inspired....but not as literalist way as what Protestant do...}}}

No Archie... you are prejudiced with Protestants that's why...you believe the Bible as inspired and that's just it... Inspired... and then nothing more...

{{{Your Faith is at stake.....we Catholics hope for it....do not claim as you were saved...}}}

Romans 10:9
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Have you declared this already Archie?

{{{So? and also in the Traditions of the Church...}}}

Not all... Jesus Christ made many things new which people learned from the Old Testament, that's why He came.... to make some new practices because the old ones will be obsolete...

[Romans 10:9
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.]

Yes....but it does not mean absolute salvation....

[Not all... Jesus Christ made many things new which people learned from the Old Testament, that's why He came.... to make some new practices because the old ones will be obsolete...]

half true...but he never change Mosaic law He (Jesus Christ) he was the epitome of the Law!


Absolute salvation... absolute authority...

Turn to Jesus Christ..... He is...

{{{ half true...but he never change Mosaic law He (Jesus Christ) he was the epitome of the Law! }}}

It was God's law, by the way... not Moses'...

[It was God's law, by the way... not Moses'...]

That's it? only change name?


Paul said:

Absolute salvation... absolute authority...


But what about these verses?

What the Bible said:(plus commentary)

Rom. 5:2
- we rejoice in the "hope" (not the presumptuous certainty) of sharing the glory of God. If salvation is absolutely assured after accepting Jesus as Savior, why would Paul hope?

Rom. 5:5 - this "hope" does not disappoint us, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit. Our hope is assured if we persevere to the end.

Rom. 8:24 - this "hope" of salvation that Paul writes about is unnecessary if salvation is guaranteed. If salvation is assured, then why hope?

Rom. 10:1 - Paul prays that the Jews "may be saved." Why pray if it's guaranteed? Further, why pray unless you can mediate?

Rom. 12:12 - rejoice in your "hope" (not your certainty), be patient in tribulation, and be constant in prayer.

2 Cor. 3:12 - since we have a "hope" (not a certainty), we are very bold. We can be bold when we are in God’s grace and our persevering in obedient faith.

Gal. 5:5 - for through the Spirit by faith we wait for the "hope" (not the certainty) of righteousness.

Eph. 1:18 - that you may know what is the "hope" to which He has called you, what are the riches of His glorious inheritance.

Eph. 4:4 - there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one "hope" (not the one certainty) that belongs to your call.

Eph. 6:10-17 – Paul instructs the Ephesians to take the whole armor of God, the breastplate of righteousness, and the helmet of salvation, in order “to stand,” lest they fall. Paul does not give any assurance that the spiritual battle is already won.

Phil. 3:11 - Paul shares Christ's sufferings so that "if possible" he may attain resurrection. Paul does not view his own resurrection as a certainty.

Phil. 1:20 - as it is my eager expectation and "hope" (not certainty) that I shall not be at all ashamed before Christ.

Col. 1:5 - Paul refers to the "hope" (not guarantee) that Christ laid up for us in heaven.

Col. 1:23 - provided that you continue in the faith, not shifting from the "hope" of the gospel which you heard.

Col. 1:27 - to them God chose to make known His mystery, which is Christ in you, the "hope" (not the certainty) of His glory.

1 Thess. 1:3 - remembering before our God your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of "hope" in Jesus Christ.

1 Thess. 2:19 - for what is our "hope" or joy or crown of boasting before our Lord Jesus at his coming? Is it not you?

1 Thess. 5:8 - we must put on the helmet of "hope" (not of certainty) of salvation.

2 Thess. 2:16 - the Lord Jesus and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good "hope" through grace.

1 Tim. 1:1 - Paul describes Christ Jesus as our "hope" (not our guarantee). We can reject Him and He will allow this.

1 Tim. 4:10 - Paul says we toil and strive because we have our "hope" (not our assurance) on the living God. This is not because God is unfaithful, but because we can be unfaithful. We toil and strive for our salvation.

1 Tim. 5:5 - she who is a real widow, and is left all alone, has set her "hope" (not her assurance) on God. Our hope is a guarantee only if we persevere to the end.

1 Tim. 5:15 – Paul writes that some have already strayed after satan, as God Himself tells us in 1 Tim. 4:1. They were on the right path, and then strayed off of it.

2 Tim. 2:10 - Paul endures for the elect so that they "may also obtain salvation." This verse teaches us that even the "elect,” from the standpoint of human knowledge, have no guarantee of salvation.

Titus 1:2 - Paul says that he is in the "hope" (not the certainty) of eternal life. Paul knows that his hope is a guarantee if he perseveres, but his ability to choose sin over God makes his attainment of eternal life less than an absolute certainty until it is actually achieved.

Titus 2:13 - awaiting our blessed "hope," the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Titus 3:7 - Paul says we have been given the Spirit so we might become heirs in the "hope" (not the certainty) of eternal life.

Heb. 3:6 - we are Christ's house if we hold fast our confidence and pride in our "hope" (not our certainty).

Heb. 6:11 - we desire each one of you to show the same earnestness in realizing the full assurance of "hope" (not certainty) until the end.

Heb. 6:18 - we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to seize the "hope" (not the certainty) that is set before us.

Heb. 6:19 - we have a "hope" that enters into the inner shrine behind the curtain, where Jesus has gone before us.

Heb. 7:19 - on the other hand, a better "hope" (not certainty) is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

Heb. 10:23 - let us hold fast the confession of our "hope" without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.

Heb. 11:1 - now faith is the assurance of things "hoped" for (not guaranteed), the conviction of things not seen (heaven).

Heb. 12:1 – let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us.

Heb. 12:15 – see to it that no one fail to obtain the grace of God; that no root of bitterness spring up and cause trouble, and by it many become defiled.

James 1:12 - we must endure trial and withstand the test in order to receive the crown of life. It is not guaranteed.

1 Peter 1:3 - by His mercy we have been born anew to a living "hope" through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

1 Peter 1:13 - set your "hope" (not assurance) fully upon the grace that is coming to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 1:21 - through Him you have confidence in God, who raised him from the dead so that your faith and "hope" are in God.

1 Peter 2:2 - like newborn babes, long for spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up to salvation. How can you grow up to something you already possess?

1 Peter 3:15 - always be prepared to make a defense to anyone who calls you to account for the "hope" that is in you.

1 John 3:3 - and everyone who thus "hopes" in Him purifies himself as He is pure. These verses teach us that we must cooperate with God’s grace and persevere to the end to be saved. We can and do have a moral certitude of salvation if we persevere in faith, hope and love.

Yes, Paul, let’s keep the board healthy by respectful and intelligent discussions. Most of my relatives are Protestants, and I can see how much they love God. I once identified myself as a Protestant, but made a 180⁰ turn.

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These NT verses revealed some OT truths which were handed down by oral tradition. Not mentioned in the OT, but were written in the NT.

1 Cor 10:4 “and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank from a spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was the Christ.”

Jude 1:9 “Yet the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil in a dispute over the body of Moses, did not venture to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him but said, ‘May the Lord rebuke you!’”

On top of the verses we have already pointed out regarding traditions, these two points to other truths (not for the purpose of reducing repetition) that were not written down, but were handed down by oral tradition.

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An example of wrong interpretation.

John 5:39 “You search the scriptures, because you think you have eternal life through them.”

Jesus said this, not to contradict the scriptures (although He seemed to be a sign of contradiction for the Jews) but to rebuke the Jews for their failure to see the truth when Truth was right in their midst. Even to this day, Jews don’t accept Jesus as their Messiah. Backed by scriptural verses in Ezekiel 37:26-28, Isaiah 43:5-6, Zechariah 14:9, Isaiah 2:4, they believe and proclaim that their Messiah has not come. When Jesus in John 9:16 healed the blind man on a Sabbath, the Pharisees were not only offended, but outright rejected Him because their promised Messiah will lead a full Torah observance; and anyone who does otherwise, is of false. Their confidence was based on what was written in Deut. 13:1-4.

Scripture in itself is the inerrant Word of God, errancy stems from “wrong interpretation.” That is why, the Church is the foundation of truth...repeatedly posted. Correct interpretation comes from the authority left by Christ - the Church through the apostles.

Our Catechism teaches us that
"The Magisterium is ‘not superior’ to the Word of God, but is its servant. It teaches only what has been handed on to it. At the divine command and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it listens to this devotedly, guards it with dedication, and expounds it faithfully.”

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Before His Ascension, Jesus confirmed Peter as the visible head and chief pastor over His universal church and instructed Peter to “to feed His lambs, tend His sheep, feed His sheep.” (John 21:15-17) As the leader of the flock, Jesus instructed Peter to tend (take care of the flock) and feed them with the Word of God. To this day, apostolic succession continues because of the promise God Himself made - that the Church will never apostatize.

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